Week 15 D2 South CIF Bowl Rankings

One of these highly respected head coaches -- John Carroll (Oceanside) or Dave White (Huntington Beach Edison) -- and their supporters are going to be hugely disappointed on Sunday when the CIF announces which teams are going to be chosen to play in the Division II South regional bowl game.

Both John Carroll (Oceanside) and Dave White (Huntington Beach Edison) coached teams this year to section titles.

SUNDAY PICKS ARE IN: Edison gets call in close debate over Oceanside. We have more plus an early prediction for Chargers’ game against Gardena Serra.

Saturday’s regional final at Orange Coast College: Serra (Gardena) vs. Edison (Huntington Beach).
Bowl history: Serra is playing in its third bowl game (won in 2009 State Division III over Marin Catholic, lost in 2010 State Division II to Folsom). Edison is playing in its first-ever bowl game.
Controversial choice? This was one of the most heated debates since the bowl games began in 2006. Depending on how one interpreted the various results, criteria and even personal evaluations after watching both teams play, Oceanside could have just as easily gotten the nod as one of the two teams in this division. Citrus Hill (14-0) also was no doubt a strong team on the board.
Early Prediction: Serra 20, Edison 14. The speed and talent of the Cavaliers will present the toughest test for Edison’s outstanding defense so far this season.

Here are the Week 15 CIF Division II South bowl game rankings (completed before this year’s bowl selections were made; after games of Saturday, Dec. 1; previous rank in parentheses):

Thanks to managing editor Ronnie Flores for taking the initiative to watch Edison and Oceanside in separate games this weekend. He also watched Serra of Gardena in person.

DIVISION II SOUTH
1. (2) Serra (Gardena) 12-2*
2. (3) Edison (Huntington Beach) 13-1*
3. (4) Oceanside 12-1*
4. (1) Chaminade (West Hills) 12-2
5. (5) Citrus Hill (Perris) 14-0*
6. (10) Lompoc 12-1
7. (11) Garces (Bakersfield) 12-1*
8. (6) Serrano (Phelan) 13-1
9. (7) Villa Park 12-2
10. (12) Tustin 12-1
11. (13) Palos Verdes (PV Estates) 11-3*
12. (15) Kaiser (Fontana) 13-1*
14. (14) Carter (Rialto) 12-1
15. (NR) Downey 11-3*
*Indicates section champ, eligible for CIF bowl game.
Drops: Previous No. 8 La Serna (Whittier) lost to Downey 33-25 in CIFSS Southeast Division championship.
Bubble Teams: Cathedral (Los Angeles) 10-3, Foothill (Tustin) 10-3, Helix (La Mesa) 9-2**, Lincoln (San Diego) 9-4*, Olympian (Chula Vista) 11-1, Rancho Verde (Moreno Valley) 10-4, San Fernando 12-2*, Sanger 10-3, Valencia 9-4, West (Torrance) 10-4.
*Season complete and eligible for CIF bowl game. Lincoln won CIF San Diego Section Division III title Saturday by 42-14 over Ramona. San Fernando won CIF L.A. City Section Division II title Saturday by 42-35 over Canoga Park.
**Win by forfeit not included plus season complete, ineligible for bowl game.

Note about this division: Previous No. 1 South Chaminade of West Hills lost to Serra of Gardena 30-28 in the CIF Southern Section Western Division championship game. This result means this division will be closely scrutinized between three deserving section champions: Serra, CIF Southern Section Southwest Division champ Edison of Huntington Beach and CIF San Diego Section Division II champ Oceanside . This means all three teams, which we’ve have seen all in person, require an in-depth analysis.

Case for Serra: The Cavaliers not only defeated Chaminade to avenge a loss to the Eagles in a Mission League contest, Serra also defeated an unbeaten Lompoc 34-21 in its semifinal contest. Lompoc went into that game with the state’s longest winning streak at the time — 32 games — and Serra beat the Braves convincingly. It’s safe to say Serra’s victory over Lompoc was the most impressive semifinal playoff win among the three teams being seriously considered in this division.

It’s not just Serra’s last two victories that makes the Cavs such a strong pick, either, it’s the overall body of work. When Long Beach Poly won the CIF Southern Section’s Pac-Five Division — the section’s premier championship — it turned into a feather in the cap for Serra since the Cavaliers beat Poly, 20-12, in their second game of the season. Serra’s season-opening 26-23 victory over Notre Dame of Sherman Oaks was also a quality win since that team advanced to the Pac-Five quarterfinals. Serra, unlike Edison and Oceanside, does have a second loss: a 22-9 setback against CIF L.A. City Section champ Narbonne of Harbor City in its fifth game. Considering Narbonne won its section title with a 14-0 record and is SoCal’s consensus top-ranked team it’s easy to conclude Serra played the toughest schedule of the three contenders in this division. There is also previous precedent that a two-loss team has no trouble getting selected provided it played a strong schedule.

Serra has now won three CIF Southern Section titles in the last four seasons and appeared in four section title games in five years. It has played and beaten some of the state’s best teams in that time frame and is 1-1 in state bowl games, winning in Division III in 2009 and losing in Division II in 2010. Those two bowl-bound teams were led by fantastic players such as Heisman Trophy candidate Marqise Lee and fellow USC wide receiver Robert Woods. It’s hard to say if any of this year’s players can become as good as that duo, but the talent level is the same as when that group played at the school.

All-purpose back Adoree Jackson is a big-time player and coach Scott Altenberg also has two quality running backs in Marques Rodgers and sophomore Malik Roberson. Serra’s defense is talented, too, with players such as junior linebacker Dwight Williams.

Considering all the above-mentioned factors (strength of schedule, quality wins, quality of players and previous performances), Serra isn’t likely to be left out of a regional bowl game.

Case for Edison: The Chargers won their first section title under veteran coach Dave White with a 28-10 victory over Villa Park. It was the Chargers’ second victory over Villa Park after beating that team in their second game 27-7. A strong point for Edison is Villa Park didn’t lose to another team all season long and the Spartans beat a previously unbeaten Tustin team in their semifinal playoff game.

As the season wore on, Edison’s victories over teams such as San Clemente (5-5) and traditional Pac-Five power Servite of Anaheim (3-7) lost some luster, but Edison has been on a roll since its only loss to Pac-Five runner-up Mater Dei of Santa Ana. Edison trailed Mater Dei, 20-0, before rallying to lose by six points and opposite of some of its wins, the Edison-Mater Dei score became more significant as the season wore on. Edison would have loved to seen Mater Dei defeat Long Beach Poly on Saturday night, but its only loss being to the Pac-Five runner-up makes for a strong resume. It’s also against a better opponent than Oceanside lost to (read below) and Edison does have one less loss than Serra.

Speaking of the Pac-Five, Edison was previously in that division and when the Chargers were moved to the Southwest Division, the Chargers did not lose to any team from that division and showed just how dominant they could be against those teams, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Edison’s defense, led by players such as linebacker Donald Rice and sure-handed cornerbacks Kiante Goudeau and Jeremy Maxwell, had two safeties in the Southwest Division championship game alone. Oceanside and Serra have more potent offenses than Edison, but in recent years (2006, 2009) Edison advanced to Pac-Five title games and this year’s defense is just as good as the ones on those clubs were.

With its performances this season and track record, Edison is a solid choice for one of the two spots in this division.

Case for Oceanside: Similar to Edison, Oceanside beat a strong foe (in this case Poway) for a second time in its respective section title game whereas Serra avenged a loss. Poway has previously won San Diego Section titles in Division I, so when Oceanside dominated the Titans 32-10 after beating them 23-13 in the first meeting, it left no question that the Pirates are the best team in San Diego and deserving of a bowl bid.

Looking at the Pirates’ overall schedule, it’s wasn’t as strong as Serra’s, but it was quite similar to Edison’s. In fact, both teams squeaked by its playoff semifinal foes. When you point to a signature win, Oceanside clearly has that, even more so than Edison, with its 34-14 win over Oakdale in the first game of the season. The Pirates led the eventual Sac-Joaquin Section Division III champions 34-0 at halftime. Oceanside’s 34-14 victory over Oakdale was that NorCal team’s only loss.

Now let’s talk about Oceanside’s only loss. It was a 40-30 setback to Chaparral of Temecula, a team that lost in the first round of the CIF Southern Section Inland Division playoffs and finished 7-4. Chaparral was highly-regarded in the preseason and whether or not it underachieved or simply was not that good, it doesn’t matter because the result hurts Oceanside regardless. In our rankings system, the loss to 12-2 Mater Dei hurts Edison less than Oceanside’s loss to 7-4 Chaparral. Of the four losses suffered by the three top contenders in this division, Chaparral would clearly be the lowest ranked team of the quartet.

With this year’s section title under its belt, Oceanside has won eight CIF San Diego Section titles in various divisions in the last nine years. The only time the Pirates didn’t win in that time span in 2011, they lost to Helix of La Mesa in the championship game and that team went on to win the Division II CIF Bowl Game. Under head coach John Carroll, the Pirates have won 12 section championships since 1995. That’s awfully impressive.

Two of Carroll’s teams went to CIF Bowl Games in Division I and Division II and won both games. This year’s team is quite similar to those bowl-winning teams with a balanced offense led by a stellar quarterback and a big offensive line. Isreal Paopao started two years ago on Oceanside’s section title-winning team and he was impressive in this year’s title tilt against Poway, displaying a strong arm and the ability to elude tackles as a runner. Oceanside has explosive offensive players on the outside and when the team needs to convert short yardage situations, fullback William Gulley is as good as they come. Oceanside has a lot of two-way players, but there is no drop off on either side of the ball.

If the CIF CommissionersΒ simply go by the criteria of won-loss record and who teams lost to with the same amount of losses (remember Oceanside had a first-round playoff bye that’s why they are 12-1 and not 13-1) when casting their votes in this division, Edison is the logical choice. If the commissioners place more emphasis on Oceanside’s win over Oakdale and how strong it has been since the advent of the CIF Bowl Games in 2006, Oceanside’s chances to be selected in this division increase.

Note on Serra, Edison and Oceanside: For these three teams we mentioned some of the strengths and weaknesses of their player personnel for comparatives. We saw all three teams play and even minor points might make a difference in which two teams eventually get selected.

Special Mention: 14-0 Citrus Hill of Perris defeated 13-1 Serrano of Phelan 38-24 in the CIF Southern Section Eastern Division championship game. The Hawks had a terrific season under head coach Eric Zomalt, a former all-state player at Canyon Springs of Moreno Valley, but the all-important strength of schedule criteria simply doesn’t allow for them to be mentioned as serious contenders above Serra, Edison and Oceanside.

Comments or corrections? Email markjtennis@gmail.com.


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151 Comments

  1. Garrett
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 6:56 am | Permalink

    I respect the ranking and just wish someone would give Citrus a chance, for a small school that is only limited to neighborhood kids, they are a tremendous collection of talent and are scared to go up against anybody…I just wish this particular format was in place last year when Rancho Verde won the their title because that team was for real.

    • Former Pirate Playa
      Posted December 2, 2012 at 10:21 am | Permalink

      @Garrett, I agree with you. Oceanside also is a public school and all their players are kids that live in the neighborhood. They do not recruit, nor have all the benifits that Chaminade, Serra, or Mater Dei etc. etc. have. They do have a great Pop Warner program in Oceanside and it starts at that level, along with passionate support from the community.

  2. Blackbeard
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    Good job on winning another title PIRATES!! That’s all we do is win championships.
    It seems like chaminade was a bust from the get go. All that talk about this and that amounted to nothing.
    Let’s hope the commissioners make it an O’side vs edison regional. I would like to see O’side put those O.C./L.A. doubters to rest. Critics attack our schedule and our section but they for sure don’t want to play us. Two lose teams should have no business in a regional. But according to this website O’side has no chance. I sure hope they give us that spot. Once again Good job PIRATES!! Consistency at its best.

    • tagfeet
      Posted December 2, 2012 at 8:00 am | Permalink

      Great job Oceanside, the coach, the team, and the San Diego community! I said in earlier post that i would be the first to congratulate them…this coming from a former player and fan of Edison. It’s a hard job for the selection committee today…all three teams are more then deserving to continue there season…we will see what happens!

  3. Posted December 2, 2012 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    This an excellent analysis, especially coming so quickly after the section championships. No argument about Serra. One thing you didn’t mention is that I think it’s fair to say the SDS D2 playoffs and Avacado West League were both tougher than the SS D6(Southwest) playoffs and Sunset League this year. Given the 12-1 and 13-1 records of Oceanside and Edison respectively, I would think the team that won the tougher playoff would get the nod.
    A side note:
    For the most part, it’s my opinion SS is well run. However, dumping the Sunset five divisions down was not a smart move on the part of SS (There certainly was a lot of legitimate squawking from the other Southwest leagues and teams). Instead, replacing the Golden League with that league in the Northern Division would have been a good fit.
    Perhaps it will be poetic justice that the commissioners will favor Oceanside on this basis.

  4. Posted December 2, 2012 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    Hopefully SS will move Citrus Hill into either the Sunkist or Sunbelt Leagues in the Central Division for next year. They’ve been an anomoly in the Mountain Pass League for several years. Actually, the Hawks would have been very competitive in the Citrus Belt and Inland Division this season.

  5. Posted December 2, 2012 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    history has shown us that a two loss team belongs because two loss teams have won the state bowl game.Serra will be a slight favorite against either O-side or Edison.to me i think the pirates will get the invite because of who they are and what they have done in previous bowl games and if i were a pirate fan i would want Serra for the exact same reason.Serra has the track record of bowl games and so do the pirates so that seems like the game everyone should want to see.

  6. Former Pirate Playa
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    Oceanside looked very very good last night against a big, well coached, and good team. Tofi Paopao may be the best QB to play at Oceanside (Jordan Wynn, Derek Shaw, Se Poumele etal) ? Their defense was fast and physical and they play very precisioned and well coached football in all aspects.

  7. Former Pirate Playa
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Oakdale whom Oceanside beat won their Section Championship, hopefully that is an important element for voting today. Granted, they are a smaller school, yet, they were ranked 1 for D-II at begining of season and now are ranked 2nd.

  8. SoCalFB
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    When will we find out the selections?

  9. Former Pirate Playa
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    I am sure Mr. Tennis will post them when they get announced, but I heard around 2:00 pm.

  10. Posted December 2, 2012 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    2pm today

  11. osde
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    I find it interesting that it was noted that both Edison and Oceanside were watched this weekend and yet Edison is still ranked ahead of them…. Anyone watching both teams play clearly knows that Oceanside is better… btw the idea that Edison has a better defense than Oside is highly debatable… Oceanside would not have given up a point in the D6 playoffs… real talk…

  12. Former Pirate Playa
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Today, yes indeed.

  13. Former Pirate Playa
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    @osde, to state that Edison’s defense is hands down the best is Calhi trying to justify the number 2 ranking. Oceanside’s defense is just as good or better; not only represented in the scores, but in speed and the sheer violence and physical nature of their team.

  14. Posted December 2, 2012 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    the selection show is on time warner channel 101 in Los Angeles area

    • SoCalFB
      Posted December 2, 2012 at 10:54 am | Permalink

      at 2pm?

  15. Posted December 2, 2012 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    yes at 2pm

  16. osde
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    This was a tough decision between Edison and Oceanside… unless you actually watched the games… CIF (Tennis) dropped the ball on this one… Good luck to both Edison and Serra…

  17. Morris Day
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Message sent loud and clear to our kids. Losing is better than winning. Especially if that loss is to a “highly regarded” team. No wonder the rest of the country views California as soft. We celebrate losing here. Coach Carroll, schedule Mater Dei, LB Poly, Servite, and Edison next year and lose to all of them!! That seems to be the winning formula here.

    • CIF SS
      Posted December 5, 2012 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

      It sure wouldn’t hurt foy Oceanside to schedule more quality Southern Section Teams from OC or LA

      • Posted December 5, 2012 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

        Oceanside actually does try to schedule many CIFSS teams, including Servite, Mission Viejo. LB Poly and others over the years. The problem is you can’t always predict when some team you schedule is going to be good and then actually play that one team for that one season. Another problem with scheduling like that is that both schools need to agree to travel to the other. We can predict with some certainty that Serra is going to be ridiculously good next year so if you want to play a quality CIFSS team that’s a good place to start.

      • Commissioner Max Preps
        Posted December 5, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

        If they’re going to be that good then just scheduling the game should be sufficient and the result of the game is irrelevant. Got it…

  18. Former Pirate Playa
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    It seems as though Calhi does the leg work for the CIF people, and they go by their polls.I am sure Ronnie Flores knows whats up. But, they run a business and have to say the correct things. But, Ronnie knows that Oceanside is the best D-II team in Cali !

  19. Former Pirate Playa
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Calhi is the CIF commision ?

  20. Posted December 2, 2012 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    maybe Oceanside should play Narbonne,Long beach Poly and Mater Dei to really test the program.Oaks Christian and Westlake dominated the Northern division but thier first year in the Pac 5 they were one and done in the playoffs.Nobody would argue that the pirates have a gripe but so would Serra and Edison if they are left out.

    • Morris Day
      Posted December 2, 2012 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

      You are right they should, and they should make sure to lose to them. That seems to be worth so much weight.

      • CIF SS
        Posted December 5, 2012 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

        @morris day………why the negativity??? Oceanside lost to a 4 LOSS Chaparral team stop acting like OCEANSIDE went undefeated

  21. osde
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Socal, you are probably right… my only issue is that I doubt they watched the games… I know I am biased but it was pretty clear this weekend that Oceanside is better than Edison…Anyone, outside Oceanside and HB, watching the games could have told you that…

  22. Posted December 2, 2012 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Osde i hear you,I stated in a earlier post that i would pick the pirates based on this year and what they have proven in the past bowl games.I think the best bowl game was Serra and Oceanside

  23. osde
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    They probably wanted to give Edison a shot, even though the blngster tries to make them out to be something they are not (and haven’t been for some time) they do have tradition and it’s cool to see them get their shot… A Serra vs. Oside game would have been fun to watch tho… could have been some good story lines too with each team having a couple of SBG games under their belts…

  24. Posted December 2, 2012 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Exactly,two proven SBG programs in a regional bowl game seemed the best choice.I dont know why they took Edison out of the Pac 5 anyway.I mean they made the championship game a few times in the past couple years.we will see this every year when you cant decide it on the field

  25. osde
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    @Tennis, Why even write up a case for Oceanside? When you bumped them below Edison last week you decided their fate

    • CIF SS
      Posted December 5, 2012 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

      EDISON LOST TO MATER DEI THAT FINISHED IN THE PAC 5 FINAL

      OCEANSIDE LOST TO CHAPARRAL A TEAM THAT LOST IN THE FIRST GAME OF PLAYOFFS

      thats the formula……….easy as that

  26. Former Pirate Playa
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    All of Oceanside’s great fantastic four reciever core will be back, plus a former Pirate QB will be back to have a great year next year………………????? Also, the CIF panel could careless, they get the list from Calhi and go through the formalities. They know who they are going to put in without the thought or passion, they just look at Calhi’s rankings. They don’t want to be there on Sunday, it is all a act, like all forms of politics.

  27. Former Pirate Playa
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Serra is city free form ghetto football. It is all good, but speed combined with sloppiness will get you through local games, but against better teams outside of speed slop, it will not work as well.

    • Serra2012
      Posted December 2, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

      Youre not very knowlegeable Pirate. YouConsider Oside lucky, they have been spared a season ending loss by Serra. Serra plays the best teams and coaches year in and year out . ND Chaminade, Narbonne, Poly, a league of nothing but private schools. and you want to say that they are ghetto. Who sounds ghetto here you clown.

      Consider the fact that you won your last game a good thing and move on.

  28. osde
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Ha you are probably right! If only they watched the games… I don’t know about that former pirate part though… If they get a decent qb they will be pretty darn good… PaoPao will be missed

  29. osideforlife
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    The sad part is oside ran the table, dropped three spots and still went out and won handily against former division one champ poway, also to make it worse the team they beat handily is probably going to win division two state Oakdale, great job cif picking a two loss team what a joke how you make up for that. Congrats oside for doing what you do win, win, win coach Carroll and staff he’ll of a team and staff.

    • CIF SS
      Posted December 5, 2012 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

      @osdieforlife…………..oh you mean the 2 loss team SERRA that beat DIV 1 Long Beach Poly & that also will win their State Title……….you mean the SERRA team that one of their losses came at hand to NARBONNE the team in the OPEN STATE TITLE contention…….tell oside to not lose to a 4 loss Chaparral team next time πŸ˜‰

  30. Posted December 2, 2012 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Serra plays nothing but private schools and the best teams in thier area(Narbonne) they have also won a state bowl game so to say thier style of football wont work against better teams in the state is just false.

  31. Former Pirate Playa
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Those 63 year old men on the CIF panel are looking at their watches, thinking about their stock portfolio and Sadie at the local…………… They could careless about who goes in. That is life. We focus on what is important to us, and what uplifts our lives. To put Edison in is a way to go home early all based upon the metaphoric SEC hype of the SS via riding on the loss of Mater Dei.

    • Posted December 2, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

      Nobody is 63 and three of the commissioners are women. Newest commissioner is Russell White, the former Crespi and Cal star who is the new guy from the Oakland Section. If Oceanside got in and Edison didnt, the Edison people would be just as upset. That’s the type of decision it was.

    • Former Pirate Playa
      Posted December 2, 2012 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

      Not 63, but still looking at a watch. They don’t care, they want to get home. A fax is all they need to put a team that got in beacause of the quality of their loss. This is SEC hype justified to put a Edison team that is being rewarded by a loss. Oceanside should schelude DLS, and lose, and benifit from their lose.

  32. Former Pirate Playa
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Serra vs Chaminade was utter garbage slop football. They took football back to the 30’s with the terrible play calling and non-thinking, no special team having high level city slop football. I have never seen such terrible coaching and non awareness of terrible coachin than this game. They masquerade this bad football in speed. Newby was running sweeps with no blocking. The ” Emperors Clothing ” story, i.e no one acknowldeges he has no clothing, as no one acknowleges that Serra plays bad football disguised in ” speed ” and SS hype !

    • Serra2012
      Posted December 2, 2012 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

      Ok , I have listen to enough BS from the Oside posse .
      Why dont you give Serra or Chaminade a call and set up a couple games.

      • Blackbeard
        Posted December 2, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

        We lost to an inferior team and that’s a legit enough reason. I’m over it now, but I hope Edison puts a whoopin’ on you private school cheaters.

      • Morris Day
        Posted December 2, 2012 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

        I would LOVE to play Serra!! I watched every minute of their “football” game with Chamifraud!! I have literlly seen better pop warner games. That game set the sport back 40 years. Lousy quarterbacks, no blocking, no kicking game to speak of. Last time I checked special teams are one third of football. Serras special teams were special alright, short yellow bus type special. All that was missing in that game was leather helmets. I kept waiting for Red Grange to run on the field. Don’t even get me started on the coaching!! Must be hard to maintain the playbook when all the plays are drawn up in the sand in the huddle. That was glorified sandlot football!! Their are D3 and D4 teams in the San Diego area with no more that 28 players on the team that play more sound football then what I saw that night. Sorry teams down here like Sweetwater and Castle Park would hang with if not beat Serra. Don’t get me wrong, i’m not trying to hype up the SD area. Those are two of the weakest schools down here. They look like friggin Notre Dame compared to what I saw with Serra on friday. You can have your paper championship that a bunch of L.A. honks voted for. Good luck with Edison, believe me you will need it. They play football there, not the sandlot, running-a-muk “football” that Serra plays.

      • CATHEDRAL ALUM
        Posted December 5, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

        SERRA & CHAMINADE will murder San Diego schools no joke lol

        they need to play in the SS to see what a real section is about

  33. Blackbeard
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Just checked the cif website and O’side was not selected. We just got hijacked and was overlooked by a two lose team. The reasoning will never be justified until a real playoff system is instituted. Obviously who you lose to and how far that team that you lost advances in playoffs is gold. (overlooking the two loses) Lesson here is to stay undefeated or at least two loses.

    • CATHEDRAL ALUM
      Posted December 5, 2012 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

      2 QUALITY losses vs QUALITY teams…not vs a 4 LOSS Chaparral!!!

      & your Quality win vs DIV II Oakdale is overshadowed by Serra’s Quality win over DIV I Long Beach Poly

  34. Posted December 2, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    The truth is that this fools didn’t want OCEANSIDE show them up. They knew O’SIDE was going to go there and whoop some ass. They didn’t want any of the DYNASTY!!!

  35. Posted December 2, 2012 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    the San Diego section is like the Los Angeles city section,the top 3 or 4 teams can play with anyone but as a whole is not very strong.Oceanside should do what the top L.A. city section teams do and play the toughest non leauge teams out there so when you run the table like Narbonne has your in without a second thought instead of geting dissed because you lost to a team that wasnt very good.

  36. bill
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    oceanside had five shutouts this year and pulled their starters 10 of the 13 games. their only loss had five starters out 4 of them 2 way guys. this is stupid

  37. Former Pirate Playa
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Serra is garbage ghetto sandlot non coaching, we win by 3 big plays garbage football. They took football back 3 generations with that sandlot madness. Neer please !

  38. the great blng_blng
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    So I take it the CIF big wigs did not think the whole “our team got on the wrong bus for the Chaparall game”…

    Thanks for stopping buy Oceanside…

  39. the great blng_blng
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    The San Diego Section simply is not that good…
    And Oceanside is not even in the top San Diego Section Division…

  40. Oakdale Fan
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    I’m an Oakdale fan who agrees with the logic and argument for Oceanside being selected. Socalfootball summed it up best when he said you have to play the toughest non-league schedule and make the best of it, that was our approach (even though we lost to Oceanside).

  41. osde
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    the great blng ha good one… You are more of an idiot than I thought if you think division 1 in SD is the “top” division… Not one person in the section would point to any other programs than Oceanside and Helix as the top two in the county… Teams that have won D1 titles but could not win it in D2 are Poway, Eastlake, LCC… SD section is like the Sunset (WEAK) with the exception of a few teams…I honestly don’t remember the last time the D1 champ was ranked higher than the D2 champ at the end of the year… nice try with your moronic post… Good luck in your game though, you are going to need it…

  42. bill
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    it should be BY not BUY good job no spell ck blng blng?

  43. osideforlife
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Are you serious serra not oside is a joke, guess it shows that the dynasty in San Diego is being kept back by CIF, a guy can decide too drop a team that hadn’t lost since week two dont make since when your winning, but oh well dominated championship and oside has beaten over last few years, poly, chaparral, oakdale, novato, bellarmine, vista,poway, reed nevada, helix and others and won so cant make the excuse they dont play anyone. They are well coached and play together we know the truth haters hate and oside continue to represent mr tennis we know you hate san diego but its all good watch madison and sante fe represent for sd.

  44. Chaminade
    Posted December 2, 2012 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Oside needs to let the season end. its over , you lost a game you should have won apparently and fukked yourselves right out of the regionals. Worst loss of any team in the south.

  45. Mike
    Posted December 3, 2012 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    Guys, stop making Oside fans look bad, I’m one, and I saw this was coming mainly because of Chaps weak ending to the year. A win or two in the playoffs would have helped a lot. I am upset, and I do think Ed is in for a loss (probably just bias talking) I have not seen Ed or Serra play but from what I’ve been reading all season, they’ve been good enough to get there. Let it be and look to next year. Great year Pirates!

  46. norcal707
    Posted December 3, 2012 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    If Oakdale ends up being the norcal bow div 2 representative and competes and plays whomever is the socal representative close or an upset than CIF selected the wrong SoCal team. I believe Serra beats Edison by 21 pts and then beats Oakdale by 28 pts. If Edison pulls a miracle and beats Serra than Oakdale will beat Edison 21-14. This is just a prediction, but I just bought a $1 lotto ticket and won $5 so I am on to something…just sayin. Congrats to all Socal and NorCal teams for winning their section and becoming CIF Section Champs.

    @Tennis, Do you think CIF might go to a 4 team regional game because of the closeness of Div 2 and just to weed out politics and voting deciding who gets to play? This is what we have and it is better than what we didn’t have prior to 2006, but a little more tweaking might be needed.

    • Posted December 3, 2012 at 9:08 am | Permalink

      I don’t think there will be a 4-team playoff because there has never been a 17-game season for teams not just in California but anywhere in the nation. I do think there could be more divisions, however. Texas, Florida and Illinois all have more divisions than California. Adding another division probably wouldn’t have helped Oceanside in this situation but for some smaller schools like Wasco and Nordhoff it sure would.

  47. Valley
    Posted December 3, 2012 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    I’m still trying to understand why Garces ended the year so low in the polls. Their only loss was by a small margin to a Div I that pummeled Long Beach Poly the next week. In addition, their margin of victory during the playoffs was immense. Has there been a bias against Central Valley teams historically?

  48. blng_blng
    Posted December 3, 2012 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    I never knew that San Diego County had such a bad problem with illiteracy…
    Every time I go to Sea World the natives seem relatively educated…

  49. Jay
    Posted December 3, 2012 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    …I never knew that…Sea World…relatively…educated…Shut…the…hell…up fling fling. When you go back to work at Sea World stay in your cage like a good…little…biotch…

  50. Oakdale Fan
    Posted December 3, 2012 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Love the passion exhibited by south land HS football fans… not seeing the same level of emotion up north at this point. All I can say is the north has its work cut out given what Oceanside did to us in week one and they’re on the outs looking in, if they’re even watching.

    • Commissioner Max Preps
      Posted December 3, 2012 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

      Oakdale trust me O’side will be watching and we will be rooting for you to prove there should have been a rematch. Whack!

  51. Blackbeard
    Posted December 3, 2012 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    On the cal preps website, their proposed state tournament seems like a logical and sound system. Everyone gets a chance to prove themselves, even the undefeated teams with a so-called “weak schedule” can show what they’re about. But with cal hi sports holding a monopoly in Cali. HS football it’s obvious why they would oppose it. Maybe there’s a lot of money to be made but kept in the hands of a few. Who really knows, but that’s one way to have a true state champ.

    • Posted December 3, 2012 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

      Why would we be against any state playoff? It’s the sections, not us, that would be against it. And trust me, there’s no monopoly and no money involved. The CIF doesn’t pay us a penny. And last I checked all of the content we’re putting up on this blog is free.

      • Blackbeard
        Posted December 3, 2012 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

        Out of curiosity, why would the sections be against it? No money involved? So you do all this for the passion of the sport?

        • Posted December 3, 2012 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

          The sections are going to be against any plan that eliminates any of their playoff rounds and I don’t know of any schools that are willing to give up a 10th game off the regular season, either. No money is certainly involved for this web blog right now. Cal-Hi Sports has been part of my job with Student Sports, ESPN and others over the years and it has been a passion.

  52. osde
    Posted December 3, 2012 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    @Tennis, I noticed you made it an emphasis to sate that somebody from this site watched all 3 D2 teams in action this past weekend…Do you think the commissioners that voted even watched the games?

    • Posted December 3, 2012 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

      The commissioners might have seen some tape. But they have their own championship events and playoffs to run. They only see the teams from their own sections.

  53. Former Pirate Playa
    Posted December 3, 2012 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Oceanside is a great team ! I was very impressed with this season ! The Chappy game hurt them with all those players hurt including Gulley ! Oceanside has the speed and athletism of Serra, but play precision thinking man football. Well coached team. The defense was fast and incredilby physical, and well coached. Not being bias they are a “great team !” It is sad that Edison who is a decent team get in. It really is. They don’t have soul nor history of Oceanside. Life is about soul, passion, and honor. They represent the ” mainstream puppett” go with the crowd falsehood of life. Pirates are passion, Pirates are the best D-II in California. Ooooooooooooooooooside !

  54. osideforlife
    Posted December 4, 2012 at 4:49 am | Permalink

    Tennis i can live with who selected but what does out look like when an oakdale team goes out and wins the whole thing say or do to this boys down here in the south, my hope is cif picked the right teams also what is the criteria for the open division and why couldn’t they have bumped up an oside into either Open or division one like they played few years ago

    • Posted December 4, 2012 at 8:57 am | Permalink

      The Open Division can be teams from any division, but almost every year north and south the two will be from Division I. The selection criteria is the same. If for example Serra had beaten Narbonne earlier and was unbeaten they could have been in the Open Division. Oceanside was way down the list for Open Division due to having a loss to Chaparral. Teams can’t move up from D2 to D1 or in any other division. I think the reason Oceanside was D1 when it played Bellarmine is because the CIF used enrollments at the beginning of the bowl games to determine which bowl game divisions each school would be in. It’s now based on which section playoff each school is in so that all San Diego D2 playoff teams would be considered D2 South (with only the winner getting bowl eligible).

  55. CATHEDRAL ALUM
    Posted December 4, 2012 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    OCEANSIDE GET OVER IT

    don’t lose to a freaking 4 loss CHAPARRAL team next time!!!! that lost in the first round of playoffs lol!!!

    schedule tougher competition away from san diego….all of your preseason games should be vs SS teams if you really wanna compete and see where your at!!!

    CONGRATS TO SERRA & EDISON

    MY PREDICTION………….SERRA

    • Cathedral's Daddy
      Posted December 4, 2012 at 9:04 am | Permalink

      I hope you’re not from the Cathedral in SD, because that would be hilarious! We beat the crap out of Oakdale (who’s in the N. Region game) in week 1. Chaparral was ranked high in the preseason as was Oakdale. We’ve played Servite, LBC!

      • CATHEDRAL ALUM
        Posted December 4, 2012 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

        no Cathedral from the Western DIV-MISSION LEAGUE(SERRA & CHAMINADES LEAGUE)

        idk why your soo high on OAKDALE a team that has a maxprep state rank of 71 lol

        and than you wanna bring up 4 loss Chaparral again lol? that doesn’t benefit you so idk why your doing it

        & the we’ve played lbc & servite…well thats good but sadly were talking about this season!!!

        • Cathedral's Mommy & Daddy
          Posted December 4, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

          Oh the Cathedral that got blitzed by Chaminade by 70 pts in 2 games and Serra by 40?!? LOL!!! WOW!!! Talk about throwing stones in a glass house. Maybe you can hit Serra up to see if they have room on their jock strap for women like you who Google “teams that waxed us during the season.” LOL!!! Maybe you guys should look to be relevant before you jump sites where Cathedral was NEVER in the picture! LOL!!! This guy…

  56. Cathedral's Mommy & Daddy
    Posted December 4, 2012 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Oh the Cathedral that got drilled by Chaminade by 70 and Serra by 40?! LOL!!! That’s why you’re so irriated! You guys were never in the picture from the git go! LOL! Concentrate on winning your league first before coming on here with your salty attitude about never being relevant in the State picture. HAHAHA This iguy…

    • CATHEDRAL ALUM
      Posted December 4, 2012 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

      yeah that Cathedral the one that has our starting QB going to LSU next year πŸ˜‰

      idk about by 70 lol but both teams were definitely superior i can tell you that first hand…..funny how you say win our league first….had you replaced us you would also gotten 3rd place behind SERRA & CHAMINADE

      funny thing is CHAMINADE SERRA & CATHEDRAL made it to the semis of the western div just to show you how strong MISSION LEAGUE is

      im just looking at it by rankings and what not & sorry but EDISON’s loss to Mater Dei looks alot better on paper than Oceansides loss to a “4” loss chaparral

      and don’t even try to claim Oceanside has a chance at SERRA lol

      • Cathedral's Mommy & Daddy
        Posted December 4, 2012 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

        Oceanside would’ve blasted SERRA, CHAMINADE, AND CATHEDRAL!! You keep talking about the Chaparral loss where we had 4…2-way starters out due to injury…and it still ended up being a close game with JV players! It is what it is, but I never even heard of Cathedral until AIGA had the Poly bowl there last year. We have 2 State Championships under our belt in 2 divisions. What does Cathedral have?! Both games versus Chaminade they combined for almost 70 pts!! lol! That’s a bball score bro! I agree with loss statement, gotta win out or shut up. SD County definitely doesn’t get the love LA does. We gotta keep makin moves to change that.

      • Cathedral's Mommy & Daddy
        Posted December 4, 2012 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

        LSU?! SEC?! Don’t get me started on those clowns. LA reminds me of the SEC.

      • piratefan
        Posted December 5, 2012 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

        You can continue to mention Chap is a 4 loss team. Don’t be stupid, they were undefeated when we played them. Apparently,that doesn’t matter. As Oside got healthy, got better, and finished the season strong, Chap did just the opposite. You understand the meaning of team, trust, and brotherhood when you play Pirate football.

  57. Pirate Boy
    Posted December 4, 2012 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Cathedral in LA is one of the teams that got beat by 60 plus points each by Serra and Chaminade ? Oceanside currently has 13 players playing NCAA D1 football. To have one player going to the corrupt SEC (the college version of the SS section) is not worthy to base the quality of your team. I watched Serra and Chaminade play, and it was poorly coached and sloppy football. Chaminade ran sweeps all night without correct blocking for Newby. Serra played city ghetto no precision football. It was garbage ! Great athletes and speed, but this is not track. Their was no coaching or strategy. Cathedral must be really bad to get beat by 70 points by both those teams ? ? ?

    • MISSION LEAGUE FAN
      Posted December 5, 2012 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

      I’ve never heard anyone call it “ghetto football” can you please keep your racist comments to your self thank you. Last time i checked Serra is a Private Catholic HS in Gardena.

      Also love how your putting down the SEC lol only the BEST conference in the Nation

      have fun watching SERRA win state from your couches OCEANSIDE FANS

      • MISSION LEAGUE FAN'S DADDY
        Posted December 6, 2012 at 8:37 am | Permalink

        “Ghetto football,” street ball, jungle ball, it’s all the same. It’s what we all used to play in the street as kids. Give it to the fastest kid and tell him to run it outside. Apparently it is his opinion that Serra’s team lacks offensive creativity and basic fundamentals. Hopefully Serra can finally win one instead of being invited and getting blasted by 4TD’s!!! LOL!!! Way to rep the prestigious Mission League…what a joke. OCEANSIDE is 2-0 in State Championships in 2 divisions. Every time we’ve been invited to the State Championships we’ve handled business. The South has won 5 out of the last 6 State Championships in D2 and 3 have come out of San Diego, 2 from OC…where’s the prestigious Mission League at?? Oh yeah, Serra went in 2010…and got their teeth handed to them 48-20 by the North!!! LOL!! Way to go Mission League!! hahahaha!!

        • Posted December 6, 2012 at 8:51 am | Permalink

          Fact check: Serra has won a CIF state football title before so “finally win one” is incorrect. Cavs won in 2009 in D3 over Marin Catholic in a game they basically sleep-walked through after knocking off nationally ranked and unbeaten Oaks Christian the week before in one of the best games I’ve ever seen.

      • Ted Special's Daddy
        Posted December 6, 2012 at 9:04 am | Permalink

        AWESOME! So they do have ONE…LOL!!! If they win this year then they’ll have 2 in 2 divisions JUST LIKE OCEANSIDE! HAHA

  58. Oside = Dynasty
    Posted December 4, 2012 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Rankings are always going to be subjective. Only when everyone agrees, do we “feel” that they are objective. For D2, if the focus is only on how good the team is that you lost to, then Edison and Serra are properly placed. What happens when you look at quality wins. Here’s Oceanside’s record against opponents that were in the bowl rankings at some point in the season. In parentheses is the highest ranking and division that the team reached. I know someone’s going to say the rankings at the end are the only ones that matter. I agree, but on the other hand, you must be doing something right to be ranked at some point.
    Wins: Oakdale (#1 D2 N), La Costa Canyon (#10 D2 S), Poway twice (#9 D2 S), Mission Hills (#15 D1 S). Loss: Chaparral (#12 D1 S).
    So that’s five wins against ranked opponents. Just another way to look at things. I’m not going to take the time to look up the quality of Edison’s or Serra’s wins, but I’m guessing if they can compete, then someone will do the work to make the counterpoint. I’ll consider silence that their wins were weaker. I honestly don’t know, so someone please enlighten us.

    • Posted December 5, 2012 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

      there can be no argument against Serra,with four wins against teams that where at one time or another top 30 in the state(LBPoly,sherman oaks Norte Dame,Chaminade,Lompoc).Edison on the other hand has really only beaten Villa park(twice) and Foothill Santa Ana.I guess the selection commitee judged both teams only loss and losing to pac 5 finalist Mater Dei by 6 was judged better than losing to chapperal.

      • Dan
        Posted December 6, 2012 at 10:04 am | Permalink

        LOL!!! THE SS is the most over rated hack football conference in AMERICA. Gee, but what do I know? I get paid to coach camps, combines and clinics across America, have been on staff for (2) national all star teams, worked with Tom Martinez, Larry Keenan, Andre Rison, Chris Miller, SC staff…….Hey, your OC player of the yr Fajardo…..Servite…..how many DI offers when he graduated? ONE. Nevada. You have a mass of over hyped under achieving at the next level football players. You have ONE huge advantage: you have the OC Register and LA Times homing for your kids. The FACT is NONE of you Pac 5 teams WANTS to play Oceanside as one of their first 5 games and take the loss AND the PHYSICAL ass beating. Face it, SS has soft ego centered players that believe the hyoe their parents and the newspapers put on them until they get to the next level and then collect splinters in their asses.

  59. Ted Special
    Posted December 4, 2012 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    Oside should come up here and play a few CIF-SS teams more often. Sounds like your ready to play Nade, Serra, & Cathedral next year; call ’em up and get it worked out. BTW, that Chappy game wasn’t even close, Oside scored some pts in the 4th against the Chappy JV squad to make it a 10pt game. The score was 33-7 Chappy after 3qtrs; close one. Seems pointless to blast off making excuses for losses. The competition is tough all over, one bad week gets you bounced.

    • Ted Special's Daddy
      Posted December 6, 2012 at 8:39 am | Permalink

      Congrats to Chap, their JV beat Oside’s JV. woohoo

    • Dan
      Posted December 6, 2012 at 10:06 am | Permalink

      LOL! NOTICE how Special Ted stated “Oside should come UP HERE and play a few SS teams more often”! LOL! Either place pal. Your kids are soft. THATS a fact.

    • Dan
      Posted December 6, 2012 at 10:10 am | Permalink

      Tell you what Special Ted, you tell me right here and now WHAT teams you want invited to the August 30th Battle for the Vets kick off games played in Oceanside this year and I WILL REACH OUT TO THEM TODAY. COUNT ON IT. Then, I will post on this site what their EXCUSES for not being able to play. You name who wants to OPEN up with OCEANSIDE this coming season pal. LOL! I am serious about this. Put up.

  60. CATHEDRAL ALUM
    Posted December 5, 2012 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    lol they were undefeated? 2-0 oh yeahhhh real undefeated

    there’s always next year πŸ˜‰

    • Cathedral's Uncle Daddy
      Posted December 5, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

      How many State Championships you guys got?….(crickets)…it’s ok I’ll wait….LOL!!!

  61. Pirate Boy the II
    Posted December 5, 2012 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    It is wise to schelude 1 great team, and if you lose, you essentially live vicarously through their success. Hence, schelude De La Salle or Bosco if possible and go 12-1, and Bosco will get you in a state bowl. Edison did it. So, this may be a new trend. I may Pirate Boy the II, but I have discovered the scheme for success, well, actually the SEC has being for years.

  62. Dan
    Posted December 6, 2012 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    CUT THE B.S. The FACT is that Max Preps paid a FEE to C.I.F. for the RIGHTS to determining the rankins. According to Mark Cohen the marketing director of CIF it is a “long term deal” (exact words). C.I.F. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CALIFORNIA DEPT OF EDUCATION. It is a seperate entity that has been entitled to decide hs athletics since it was founded as a seperate “watch dog” by a group of hs principals from LA in 1914. THESE PEOPLE MAKE BIG BANK!!! The tax returns are public information and they list the salaries, expenses and income. California is the ONLY, ONLY, ONLY state that does not have a state football playoff. THE ONLY ONE. After the CIF section championships we have a “selection” committee who are handed the final say (Max Preps) on who gets to participate in a BOWL championship series. THATS A FACT FOLKS. IT’S LAUGHABLE AND PATHETIC. Cal HI had a disclaimer posted on their site at the for a long time saying that they were probably going to fold after this season! Then they posted that they were “saved”!!! Gee, I wonder how that happened? Mark Tennis: what makes you ANY type of “authority” on football? Seriously guy? Where have you coached? Where did you play? HOW did you get to become such an “authority” on California High School Football? Another question Mark Tennis: is this site including yourself paid by C.I.F., Max Preps or any other entity to provide “rankings” services of any sort ot type? Answer up guy. You seem to believe you have all the answers every other time you open your mouth.

    • Posted December 6, 2012 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

      You are completely wrong. We never had a disclaimer on our site about going to fold. That was CalPreps. And actually for this season, I have been paid nothing by no one to run this particular blog. I am actually doing it out of my own pocket just to keep things going after myself, Ronnie Flores and others were let go by ESPN in September when ESPN discontinued its entire high school operation. This may even become a hobby site in a few months. Just don’t know right now. What makes me an authority? Seven state record books edited and published in 30 years, running a national high school magazine for 11 years. Compiling rankings in five sports every week for 35 years. You are correct to complain about California not having a state championship, but what you say are “facts” are just flat out, 100 percent wrong.

      • Dan
        Posted December 6, 2012 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

        So you agree, you are no authority and have no business delving into something that you haven’t played. You wrote books? Yiu kept stats? Thats you big claim to believing that you are therefore an authority? And please do define, specifically what facts I have laid out, specifically, that you say I am wrong on? Please,do elaborate. AMAZING! No sir, neither make you an authoritative voice on the matter any more than the typical “Fantasy Football” GEEK.

        • Posted December 6, 2012 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

          I only agree that I never played. It’s your opinion that I therefore can’t be an authority. I already laid out specifically what you are wrong about, that we (meaning Cal-Hi Sports) never posted a story we are going out of business. The CIF also does not, never has, paid a service such as ours to make selections or do rankings for them. And it’s not “Mark” Cohen of the CIF. You have his name wrong. Also, I have never played Fantasy Football. And if you knew how many years we spent going to the library looking up state records in every CIF sport you wouldn’t be dissing our work so easily. There are 80,000 to 100,000 names in the California state record book and we compiled them all. If that makes me a “Fantasy Football Geek” whatever. Your posts also have had to be edited for vulgarity (which the Serra people don’t know about). Keep it up and you will be gone from this board in about 10 seconds.

  63. Dan
    Posted December 6, 2012 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    CALIFORNIA IS THE ONLY STATE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL PLAYOFF AND AN ULTIMATE “STATE CHAMPION”. THE PLAYOFF ENDS AT THE SECTION CIF CHAMPIONSHIP GAME AND AFTERWARDS CIF RELIES UPON A PAID SERVICE TO SELECT THE TEAMS WHO GET TO PARTICIPATE IN A BOWL CHAMPIONSHIP TO DERIVE A “BOWL CHAMPION”.

  64. Posted December 6, 2012 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    i dont know if oceanside belongs in the d2 regional or not but thier fans whining and crying,bitching and moaning conspiracy talk belongs in the open division of piss and moan.

  65. Oceanside's Daddy
    Posted December 6, 2012 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Serra has more D1 palyers in college right now over the last 5-years than any other school in CA. A majority of the kids go in and play right away. I don’t know where you get this Jungle and/or street football stuff, but the game was a defensive battle between 2 very good teams. It is easy to sit back and criticize coaches, but you do not know what goes into game planning and play calling and what the QB’s are checking off. You had 2 teams with very good coaching staffs. Serra has only lost 8 games in the 6-years. All from a school that has 300 boys. To say that Oside would smash on Chaminade and Serra is assinine.

    • Dan
      Posted December 6, 2012 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

      Oh? Serra has mor DI players than “any other school in CA”? Humm? Well, here are the 20 that Oceanside hasput into DI over that time frame. Thats an average of 4 per season. Considering we suit up 40 players year in and year out, with the starters playing both ways for the most part, and considering that there are (2) grades at OHS which play varsity with more players in the JR class by a bit yr in and yr out, that be about 15 SR’s and 25 JR’s. Thats a pretty good average…PLUS those that also go play DII and JUCO we average about 50% of our graduating SR’s yr in and yr out going on to college……Eduardo Middleton, Wash St c/o 2012
      PLAYER COLLEGE OHS YR COLLEGE STARTER OR NOT
      Grant Bays, Oregon St. c/o 2012
      Jake Fely, SDSU c/o 2010 STARTER
      Ken Galea’i, SDSU c/o 2010 STARTER
      King Holder, SDSU c/o 2010
      Rene Siluano, SDSU c/o 2010 STARTER
      JJ Whitaker, SDSU c/o 2010
      Thomas Molesi, Portland St. c/o 2010 STARTER
      Devin Taverna, South Dakota c/o 2010 STARTER
      Osmond Nicholas, SDSU c/o 2009
      Brian Schwenke, Cal c/o 2009 STARTER
      Justin Vae’ena, Idaho St. c/o 2009 STARTER
      Josh Fely, UTEP c/o 2009 STARTER
      Jordan Wynn, Utah c/o 2008 STARTER
      Matt Segi, Portland St. c/o 2008 STARTER
      Sam Brenner, Utah c/o 2008 STARTER
      Maurice Patterson, Nevada c/o 2007 STARTER
      Russell Tialavea, Senior BYU c/o 2008 STARTER
      Franky Zimmerman, USD, c/o 2007 STARTER

      AND ALL THESE PLAYERS WILL GRADUATE.EVER….SINGLE …..ONE. Now, please show me the SERRA players over the same span and tell me how many will graduate.

      • CATHEDRAL ALUM
        Posted December 6, 2012 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

        Serra players in College
        Robert Woods – USC ’10
        Marqise Lee – USC ’11
        George Farmer – USC ’11
        Da’John Harris – USC – NFL ’08
        Connor Preston – SMU ’11
        Sione Tuihalamaka – Arizona ’09
        Apiata Tuihalamaka – Arizona ’08
        Carl Winston – Washington State ’08
        Kache Palacio – Washington State ’12
        Raymond Ford – Washington State ’12
        Anthony Carpenter – Washington St ’08
        Jason Gibson – CAL ’11
        Woodson Greer – Colorado ’11
        Paul Richardson – Colorado ’11
        Patrick Wooten – Western New Mexico ’12
        Kris Cooper – Montana ’11
        Thomas Brown – Nebraska ’11
        David Moala – Arizona St ’11
        Devin Spann – Arizona St ’11
        Shaq Richard – Portland State ’11
        Bene Benwikere – Fresno St ’11
        Duke Ihenacho – Fresno St – NFL
        Carl Ihenacho – Fresno St – NFL
        Suli Faletuipapai – San Jose St ’12
        Sean Bacon – San Jose St ’11
        Sione Veikoso – Malone ’11
        Lewis Murray – Stoney Brooke ’12
        Anthony Broyles – Idaho St (Washington 1st) ’07
        Maclom Murray – Cincinati ’07
        They will all graduate

    • Dan
      Posted December 6, 2012 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

      LOL! What a tool! SERRA has SOFT, skinney little kids. Chaminade is a bunch of rich white kids living a fantasy. Neither SERRA or Chamanide could stay on the same field with Oceanside. SERRA? LOL!!!!! You people just have NO CLUE what BIG TIME physical football is. NONE. PRIVATE SCHOOL BOUGHT THEIR WAY INTO SOMETHING THAT THEY DIDN’T EARN! TYPICAL.

      • CATHEDRAL ALUM
        Posted December 6, 2012 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

        HAVE FUN WATCHING IT FROM THE COUCH OCEANSIDE FANS!!!

        LETS GO SERRA!!!

        SHOW EM THE WAY MISSION LEAGUE/WESTERN DIV/SOUTHERN SECTION TAKES CARE OF BUSINESS!!!

      • SSWesternDiv
        Posted December 8, 2012 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

        whats your nickname Dan?

        Serra just kicked the crap out of Edison.

        Serra would do the same to Oside.

        Chaminade would do the same to both also.

        Serra/Chaminade was the D2 state game only we got it twice. ; )

        Serra is the best out of the 4. Nade a close second and Edison and Oside can pound sand.

      • datrout
        Posted December 9, 2012 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

        Uh, Cathedral Bum…..you were grossly incorrect in your assertion of SERRA players. The comment was that SERRA had more DI players over the past 5 years than any other school in Cali……WRONG.

        Robert Woods – USC ’10
        Marqise Lee – USC ’11
        George Farmer – USC ’11
        Da’John Harris – USC – NFL ’08
        Connor Preston – SMU ’11
        Sione Tuihalamaka – Arizona ’09
        Apiata Tuihalamaka – Arizona ’08. TRANSFERRED TO SERRA, RECRUITED? NICE Brother of 2009 recruit Sione Tuihalamaka and played at Hawthorne High School his sophomore year
        Carl Winston – Washington State ’08
        Kache Palacio – Washington State ’12
        Raymond Ford – Washington State ’12
        Anthony Carpenter – Washington St ’08
        Jason Gibson – CAL ’11
        Woodson Greer – Colorado ’11
        Paul Richardson – Colorado ’11. His family moved from Los Alamitos to Gardena prior to his senior year in high school. RECRUITTED?
        Patrick Wooten – Western New Mexico ’12 DII, NON SCHOLARSHIP SCHOOL.
        Kris Cooper – Montana ’11 NON LISTED ON THE ROSTER. http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/roster/_/id/149/montana-grizzlies
        Thomas Brown – Nebraska ’11
        David Moala – Arizona St ’11 NOT LISTED ON THE TEAM ROSTER. http://www.thesundevils.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/asu-m-footbl-mtt.html
        Devin Spann – Arizona St ’11 NOT LISTED ON THE TEAM ROSTER. http://www.thesundevils.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/asu-m-footbl-mtt.html
        Shaq Richard – Portland State ’11…. Bene Benwikere – Fresno St ’11
        Duke Ihenacho – Fresno St – NFL SAN JOSE STATE actually…
        Carl Ihenacho – Fresno St – NFL
        Suli Faletuipapai – San Jose St ’12
        Sean Bacon – San Jose St ’11 uhhhh went to SJ JUCO out of HS… I didn’t include JUCO Players….
        Sione Veikoso – Malone ’11
        Lewis Murray – Stoney Brooke ’12
        Anthony Broyles – Idaho St (Washington 1st) ’07….D 1 AA
        Maclom Murray – Cincinati ’07…..uhhhhh went to Mt SAC JUCO out of HS….

        THAT’S 17 D I PLAYERS THERE HOSS. Not JUCO’s who went on to DI/DIAA. Oceanside has 21 DI players in the last 5 years. That’s MORE than the 17 SERRA achieved. AND, unlike private schools who recruit OCEANSIDE is a blue collar PUBLIC SCHOOL. We are blended and BLESSED with the best HARD NOSED, SMART and dedicated football players in California.

    • PirateDNasty
      Posted December 6, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

      Still waiting for Serra’s list of “the most kids in NCAA in ALL of Cali.” Waiting…lol! That’s what I thought.

      • datrout
        Posted December 9, 2012 at 10:30 am | Permalink

        SERRA was getting kicked in the teeth for half the game! Your version of “kicking the crap” is halarious! Edison and SERRA are both SECOND rate teams. They, like Chaminade BOUGHT Their way in. Everyone knows it.When the private schools from SS go play real schoolsback east they get the crapbeaten out of them and run back to Calito beat up the other soft, skinney little kids in their respecitve confrences in the SS. Coaches in NJ, PA, OH, TX, FL and every other state that produces better HS players laugh at Cali and the politics it employees to “select” who gets to play.

        Have fun losing to OAKDALE!

  66. osde
    Posted December 6, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    @Tennis, Thanks for the response about the commissioners watching the games. It makes sense that they would be involved in their own section championships but wouldn’t it make sense that those in charge of choosing the teams have actually seen each eligible team? Even if it is just film? I know it would take time to get through the games but it seems that it is the least they could do considering they are responsible for selecting the teams they feel will best represent their regions. Anyway, on to next year. I’m just glad to see Oside back on top where they belong.

    Considering they are essentially only losing Gulley (MLB/RB) and PaoPao (QB) how high do you see Oside starting in the state rankings for 2013? Those two will be tough to replace for sure…This is kind of the same position Oside was in after the 2008 year when all the wrs, most of the oline and defense returned but not the prestigious QB. They found a QB in Quentis Clark and went undefeated and on to the D1 state title… On a side note, The little bros of a few of the standouts on that 2009 team will be 3 year starters and D1 recruits this up coming season.

    • Posted December 6, 2012 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

      I agree that the section commissioners should watch the teams they are choosing. I’d get some former coaches together, have them form the selection committee and you’d assume they’d watch games either on film or in person. Thinking it could be retired, respected types like Wayne Schneider from the Sac-Joaquin Section, Ed Buller in the CCS, Dick Bruich in the CIFSS and Ed Burke or Gil Warren (just said he was retiring) from San Diego. As for next year, we usually wait to see which teams are scheduling each other, how certain players look at the Nike camps/combines and then try to talk to locals (like Steve Brand, John Maffei in SD) to see what they think before we start putting together our own preseason state rankings. Transfers also can be important.

      • Posted December 6, 2012 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

        someone i would like to see on a retired coach committee to represent the Los Angeles city section is Jeff Engilman.5 L.A. city section championships (2 D1, 3 D2) and a no nonsense type of guy.

        • Posted December 6, 2012 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

          Good addition. Butch Cattolico also has announced he is stepping down at Los Gatos and would also be great on this type of committee.

  67. osde
    Posted December 6, 2012 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Sounds good man, Looking forward to watching the next two weeks!

  68. Pirate Boy II
    Posted December 6, 2012 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Oceanside will be a great team next year !

  69. Oside Daddy
    Posted December 6, 2012 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    Serra players in College

    Robert Woods – USC ’10
    Marqise Lee – USC ’11
    George Farmer – USC ’11
    Da’John Harris – USC – NFL ’08
    Connor Preston – SMU ’11
    Sione Tuihalamaka – Arizona ’09
    Apiata Tuihalamaka – Arizona ’08
    Carl Winston – Washington State ’08
    Kache Palacio – Washington State ’12
    Raymond Ford – Washington State ’12
    Anthony Carpenter – Washington St ’08
    Jason Gibson – CAL ’11
    Woodson Greer – Colorado ’11
    Paul Richardson – Colorado ’11
    Patrick Wooten – Western New Mexico ’12
    Kris Cooper – Montana ’11
    Thomas Brown – Nebraska ’11
    David Moala – Arizona St ’11
    Devin Spann – Arizona St ’11
    Shaq Richard – Portland State ’11
    Bene Benwikere – Fresno St ’11
    Duke Ihenacho – Fresno St – NFL
    Carl Ihenacho – Fresno St – NFL
    Suli Faletuipapai – San Jose St ’12
    Sean Bacon – San Jose St ’11
    Sione Veikoso – Malone ’11
    Lewis Murray – Stoney Brooke ’12
    Anthony Broyles – Idaho St (Washington 1st) ’07
    Maclom Murray – Cincinati ’07

    They will all graduate

    • CATHEDRAL ALUM
      Posted December 6, 2012 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

      AS A CATHEDRAL GRADUATE & MISSION LEAGUE RIVAL……….I KNOW THE HARD WORK SERRA DOES & COMMITS TO

      PEOPLE FROM OCEANSIDE WHO HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT SERRA NOR THEIR BELIEFS ARE QUICK TO JUDGE JUST ON SKIN COLOR…..CALLING IT “GHETTO FOOTBALL” MY GOD IN 2012 WE STILL HAVE NARROW MINDED PEOPLE LIKE THIS IS SOO FOOLISH

      I HOPE THE BEST FOR SERRA & PRAY YOU GUYS TAKE IT THE WHOLE WAY!!!

      HAVE FUN OCEANSIDE FANS WATCHING IT FROM YOUR COUCHES!!!

      • datrout
        Posted December 9, 2012 at 10:19 am | Permalink

        Have fun Cathedral watching all championship games from your couches……maybe next year you can BUY your way into a championship like SERRA did this year.

    • datrout
      Posted December 9, 2012 at 10:21 am | Permalink

      LOL! OMG! They will all graduate! You are an ass clown! Maybe you want to check the facts a little close and then re post! LOL! CLassic!

    • datrout
      Posted December 9, 2012 at 10:22 am | Permalink

      Western New Mexico is a DII non scholarship school by the way…

    • datrout
      Posted December 9, 2012 at 10:23 am | Permalink

      Malone isn’t a DI school either…….

  70. Steel Pulse
    Posted December 6, 2012 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Oceanside has only 2 white kids on their team ? It is ghetto because of the terrible coaching and sloppy play.

    • Posted December 7, 2012 at 6:52 am | Permalink

      If Serra has bad coaching and sloppy play then maybe all teams should look into “ghetto ball” since they beat 4 top 30 teams in the state this year.their loss to the number 2 team in the state was a tough close game 22-9.come on O-side every ignorant comment you guys make is easily refuted with facts.show the same class that your boys have shown all year.everyone who follows high school football knows what Oceanside brings year in and year out and the great program they are and frankly all the crying about being passed over is really a black eye on your city and school.

      • PiratesBleedGreen
        Posted December 7, 2012 at 8:53 am | Permalink

        If anyone plays “ghetto ball” it’s O’side. Lol! It’s perfectly nested in between 2 of the most notorious hoods in O’side. 2 totally different worlds, Serra’s a private school and O’side’s a public school. 90% of our rosters year in and year out are riddled with kids born and raised in O’side. Nearly every single one of rhose kids grew up going to O’side games and dreaming of one day being a Pirate. Junior Seau RIP, came out of the Eastside in the O, so I guess he played ghetto ball. O’side seems to have done a pretty good job of getting kids out as a public school, as has Serra apparently. Pretty impressive between the 2 schools, over 50 kids in NCAA right now?? Wow, that’s impressive!

    • PiratesBleedGreen
      Posted December 7, 2012 at 9:01 am | Permalink

      O’side’s ghetto because it’s located in the ghetto. LOL!!! That’s no secret. O’side Pirates for life.

    • datrout
      Posted December 9, 2012 at 10:18 am | Permalink

      Oside put 21 players into DI the last 5 years…and all are graduating….coaching wise there isn’t another staff in Cali who could hold there lunch bad…..although Iknow that Serra, Chamanide and Edison would like to hold their nut bags….

  71. Steel Pulse
    Posted December 6, 2012 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    Oceanside is prominently brothas and Polynesian kids. Oceanside is not West Hills.

  72. osde
    Posted December 6, 2012 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    Shut up Cathedral… Stop acting like Oceanside is a racist hick town… you clearly don’t know what you are talking about.. Look up the city demographics… It doesn’t get more diverse…

    • datrout
      Posted December 9, 2012 at 10:16 am | Permalink

      CATHEDRAL!!! CATHADERAL?? Another totally overarted under talented over hyped bunch of “wanna be’s” who have never done ANYTHING!

  73. Pirate Boy II
    Posted December 7, 2012 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    @socalfootball, their about 6 Oside fans on here;we don’t represent the 165k residents of Oceanside and the thousands of Pirate fans and parents. Dislike us, dislike me, these are my opionions and not based on anything the actual team or coaches are saying.

    • Posted December 9, 2012 at 9:28 am | Permalink

      I dont dislike any of you.I dislike all the crying about a system we all know is flawed.I have posted that i would have chosen Oceanside to play Serra but it didnt work out that way.Weather your six fans or 6000 your still representing your school and city.For the record I was born at the base the son of a marine.I always have a place for Oceanside.

  74. chaBoi
    Posted December 9, 2012 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    dude don’t and mayb. jus mayb yu can talk LOL!

    • chaBoi
      Posted December 9, 2012 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

      *don’t cheat

  75. Serra
    Posted December 9, 2012 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    Kris Cooper – Montana St
    Devan Spann – is now running track at ASU. He had 4 shoulder surgeries and had to give up football.
    David Moala – did a bounce back and is currently at Cerritos college for discipline issues.
    I can name more kids who went the JUCO route first too.

    The fact is Serra puts out more kids.

  76. Pirate Fan
    Posted December 9, 2012 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    You know, some of you have forgotten that high school football is about THE KIDS. We all want to win but we should strive to win or lose with CLASS. I am an Oside fan and have always been proud of the way Coach Carrol teaches our players to represent their school, team and families with class and humility. I don’t think he would be pleased to hear the way people are just going at each other in such a vicious manner. We won our section and I am so proud of our boys. We didn’t get a regional bid. Sucks for us, but you know what? I support having regional games because at least you have a chance to fight your way to the State Bowl game. Relax everyone, it’s ok. Our boys will be fine. I wish Serra & Oakdale the best. Going to State is an amazing time and they earned it. If we had been invited then Serra or Edison would have been bummed. That’s life. You win some you lose some. I look forward to seeing who we can schedule to play next year. Would love to play a great team at the Battle for the Veterans at Camp Pendleton (a great cause). We will show them on the field next year. Hope to go undefeated because our core team is still going to be strong and then maybe we can go to State next year. And please….don’t call out other schools players and what they are, or are not, doing in college. We should all just be happy football has helped to get so many of ALL of our kids an education. As for Mr. Tennis thank you for even hosting this site, especially since you don’t have to. Let’s keep it positive and be good role models for our kids. And if you’re wondering…yes I do have my own the team.

  77. norcal707
    Posted December 11, 2012 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    For 99% of us it is on to the 2013 season! We have what we have in the regional and bowl championship games. I would of liked to see Oceanside selected but we all knew that it was 3 teams vying for 2 spots and Oceanside wasn’t selected and that is the way it goes! Football and every other sport has changed the lives of so many student athletes and to have adults bash them on a blog is a shame. If a student athlete is blessed enough to have the talent to receive a athletic scholarship that is an accomplishment all in itself.

    As for all the rankings, the only rankings I have trusted and followed in the past 5 years is this one. There are so many rankings that are computer generated or not. The time and effort that this staff does to try to get it right must be applauded. Sending people to watch games live and give feedback is pretty cool for high school sports…And now to do this out of the love for high school sports should also be applauded. Hopefully Mr. Tennis and staff will continue to do this next year and years to come. Maybe some other company can pick this up. Hopefully if schedules allow Oceanside can play other Div 2 teams from the SS next year…Go Oakdale!

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